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08/25/20 11:39 AM #6029    

 

Charline Lake

Great stories, John.  Thanks.


08/25/20 03:08 PM #6030    

 

Sherry Hester (Trasp)

Yes John, I too enjoyed your story's!! It is always interesting to hear about our Freinds lives!!  Life was good and still is!! 


08/26/20 12:39 PM #6031    

 

Rex Booth

Hi John Madden,

Good to see you on the Message Forum!  I got a kick out of your Lemonada story. When you Scouts got kicked in the pants in Germany!  It reminded me of  "Kickapoo Joy Juice".

"Kickapoo Joy Juice" was a fictional beverage coined in the American comic strip Li'l Abner. Al Capp the cartoonist described the beverage as "a liquor of such stupefying potency that the hardiest citizens of Dogpatch, after the first burning sip, rose into the air, stiff as frozen codfish!! It was said to be an elixir of such power that the fumes alone have been known to 'melt the rivets' off battleships...."

I understand the Italians make an alcoholoic beverage... an 'after dinner drink' called Limoncello... it's origin around Sorrento in the Gulf of Naples.  Also produced in Northern Italy and France. (Thanks to travels by Saundra Bennett)

John, keep those cards and letters comin' right on in!

 

Limoncello

Homemade limoncello.jpg


08/26/20 01:08 PM #6032    

 

John Landess

John, interesting lifestyles in different countries, and cultures. I worked for a 'russian' family at a beach site in Alaska when I was young. Sunday's was a special day, with a big early dinner (usually some form of salmon). After the blessing, everyone had a small glass of vodka to toast the Saint of the day. The kids had theirs watered down 50% though.....

Rex, If life gives you lemons, make limoncello, not lemonade*!!! My good friend Giada has a recipe that only takes 4 or 5 days.....others can take a month.

*actually, since you only use the peels, you can also make lemonade...


08/26/20 07:31 PM #6033    

 

John Madden

A few Things we did and saw.

 

One of the strangest and funnest things was a “Honey Wagon.” It’s a large round wooden wagon slowly pulled by a horse or two, full of manure. 

 

Fertilizer. 

 

It was pulled onto a field and the manure was spread, a good and economical recycling before it’s time.

 

Remember it’s slow, well a military Jeep’s driver apparently didn’t know or forgot that detail. He ran into it and unloaded it on himself and his passengers.

 

Really!

 

Can you imagine having to carry this reputation around in your military career much less your Whole Life! Not only the drivers but also his passengers. 

 

Pardon my language but only one phrase defines this historical event.

 

You’re right, no matter what he does or accomplishes in life he’ll, and his innocent passengers will be known as, the  Shitman or Shitmen!

 

Fame is fame wanted or not.

 

We went to Oberammergau, a village in south Germany in the foothills of the Bavarian Alps, where the Passion Play was started and put on, since 1643, except for World Wars. Unfortunately, we didn't see the play. However, the town was beautiful as so many of the buildings looked so aristocratic yet warn and welcoming.

 

Being from the South and growing up in South Dakota our food choices were established. In Wiesbaden, Germany we were introduced to ravioli, pizza, and lasagna. We had never eaten them but we loved them.

 

Italian in Germany?

 

Plus we fell in love with German foods, bratwurst, sour kraut, and chocolate pie with onions. Yes, chocolate pie and onions. 

 

Try it!

 

Question, if we had gone to Italy 

would we’ve eaten German food?

 

For some unknown reason I was allowed to ride a base bus to a very large indoor swimming pools with diving boards (sehr groBe innenpools mit Tauchplatten) It had numerous diving boards. From standard to high competition board, two pools divided by a wall and a place to buy eats and drinks.

 

All for pennies, for all day. 

 

After swimming, I had a short, safe walk back to the bus stop passing a stand selling a wrapped heavy brown paper, in the shape of a cone, full of strawberries. 

 

For pennies.

 

Life was great!

 

Oh, why did I say ”for some unknown reason” because my parents, especially my Mom was extremely protective and how or why I was allowed to do this baffles me still today?

 

I wasn't fourteen and we lived in a foreign country.

 

My brother doesn’t remember this but I do. He thinks Mom wouldn't have allowed it. My love of the water has taken me to teaching swimming, canoeing, rafting, and diving in Boy Scouts plus I’m a certified scuba diver, all came from that time in Germany.

 

Go figure.

 

My grandmother Sheppard, is responsible for my love of strawberries. Thank you, grandmother.

 

I spent time at a Royal Air Force, RAF, British base that was connected to or extremely close to a ski resort lodge. Having never skied once I got on the lift and was enjoying the ride and the countryside so I went to the top. 

 

What a view. Beautiful just didn't cover it. It was spectacular! I had never seen anything like it. 

 

 Looking around I thought the only way down was to ski. I believe I was all of thirteen and not aware of the obvious of riding the lift down so I started skiing Down. 

 

It was steep with lots of snow piles, why would they have piles of snow, later learned they were called moguls, for competition.

 

What did those Black Diamond signs mean?

 

Remember I had NEVER skied before.

 

Suddenly I was in a clearing with a giant wall of trees with the smallest opening cut in the middle. At least a hundred miles, slight exaggeration,  way down there.

 

Reaching warp speed I envisioned myself hitting those giant Redwoods, yes to me that’s what they looked like. I has seen pictures of them and these looked bigger. 

 

No doubt they would never find all the parts of my body.

 

So I mustered all my energy, strength, courage and did the right thing and fell. 

 

To the best of my memory, I tumbled but stopped before arriving at the lodge.

 

Trying to calm down I asked for coffee and and found out British coffee wasn’t to my liking. Found out I liked hot tea.

 

With time on my hand, I watched skiers practice on the ski jump. It was interesting until a skier fell before jumping and left a trail of blood as he fell off the end of the jump.

 

Realizing I lacked snow skiing experience I decided the trip was trying to tell me something. So I listened.

 

Later in life, I took up water skiing, nothing fancy, no black diamonds, moguls, army of giant trees, or jumps, just fun and I enjoyed it. 

 

On our last vacation in Germany we spent several days in Garmisch, in the shadows of the Alps. My brother Lynn, Dad, and I rented a glass-bottom paddle boat so we could fish on Lake Garnish in Bavaria.  Dad though all you had to do was ”wet a line fishing” to have a perfect day. Catching fish was a bonus. However we didn't catch a single, fish or have a single nibble. Which was so frustrating because we could see them through the glass bottom. 

 

I can still see them watching us watching them. Have you ever seen a fish smile, flip it’s tail at you and swim away?

 

Not a pretty sight or memory.

 

Dad bought an oil painting of the mountains and the lake. Our sister, who wasn’t born then, has it.

 

What does that say?

 

I started collection stamps in Germany and have many with Hilter on them plus a newspaper clipping of him giving a speech. At one time I could speak German fairly well but was never very good at reading it. Like the old saying, about everything, if you don't use it you lose it.

 

True!

 

So I don't know what he said.

 

Dad collected clocks and brought back forty-two. I have 1, a beautiful wall clock, face is a hand carved forest scene, one piece with 2 brass weights. It’s at least sixty-eight years old because that’s how long we’ve had it, not knowing how old it was when Dad bought it.

 

It sounds heavenly.

 


08/26/20 08:41 PM #6034    

 

Pat Sullins (Carpenter)

John M, lovin' your stories.  Please keep them up.


08/27/20 06:29 AM #6035    

 

Charline Lake

John, wonderful stories.  heart


08/27/20 09:19 PM #6036    

 

John Madden

Growing up in Germany 

 

Our base chapel had an unsanctioned building attached to it. Which meant we could have dances there and we did on Saturday nights. Or Friday nights, my memory is a tad uncertain on which night. 

 

We also had a bowling league where we not only bowled but also built friendships, had great times but also learned how to set pins. Speed and accurate pin placement  were critical to preventing coming in contact with a bowling ball. Never a good experience.

 

Talk about a big time bruise.

 

Attached is a clipping showing my bowling team getting our trophies. The cool thing about it is Elgin and his family lived in the same eighteen family complex as mine and stairway. In fact they lived right above us. He and I were good friends and had tin can string phones from our bedrooms to each other. We talked everyday and especially at night.

 

AYA at H.H. Arnold, Wiesbaden, Germany was a place were kids danced and could get snacks.  Anyone go there and dance?

 

We were a typical military family, to the best of my knowledge. Spent a lot of time in our apartment with an occasional vacation somewhere in Germany. Basically Dad was always on alert, because he was the squadron First Sargent, even though he worked five days a week.  

 

We all loved our time in Germany and my brother Lynn, an ordained minister and unbelievable Choir director had the opportunity to go back as an adult 

 

 

 

 

 


08/29/20 07:25 AM #6037    

John Allensworth


08/29/20 01:13 PM #6038    

 

Rex Booth

The picture John posted on the home page is Lonnie Allsup... standing in front of his first store (I believe) on the corner of West College &  Missouri Ave adjacent to Mark Howell Grade School.  I lived in the 1700 block of North Ohio while attending North Junior. T'was always a treat for us guys to peddle our bicycles over to Lonnie's Drive-In during those long hot summer months. You could smell the wonderful aroma of BBQ chickens, waffing throught the air...one mile away.!  Oh yeah, we paid 10 cents to get a bottle of RC Cola from the flat top icy-water cooler in front of his store.  That was one cold frosty drink which went down fast buring our throats as we chugged the entire bottle!  Ahhhh!


08/30/20 01:01 PM #6039    

 

Danny Cathey

You got that one right, Rex.  Both Bobby Coons and I worked at that store.  I have told this story lots of times but what could one more time hurt?  Lonnie ran a watermelon sale one Saturday for 1 cent per pound, yep one penny, which made a 25 pounder a whopping quarter.  They brought the melons in about 6 am on a 40-foot flatbed float with four-foot sideboards.  The driver, who I suspect was also the farmer, tossed the melons off the truck and we had to catch them.  Not an easy task but every time I would drop one everybody would have a great laugh, especially the trucker!  We worked our butts off that day.  The store specialized in rotisserie bar-b-que chickens and the customers loved 'em.  If they had ever seen or smelled those chickens before they were cooked they would have left running.  They came in in wood crates packed in ice and they would be a light green color and stinking to high heaven and we would be gagging so hard that it was almost impossible to get them into the cooker but once cooked they smelled and tasted great and as far as I know no one ever got ill.


08/30/20 06:37 PM #6040    

 

Sherry Hester (Trasp)

Great Stories Rex and Danny!! Thanks!! ~~ Sherry Hester Trasp!!


08/31/20 07:08 AM #6041    

 

John Doyal

Lonnies first store was on east Mcgaffey on the south side 4 or 500 block.  He sold bread, potatos, and milk at half what the stores did.  Made enough to open other store.  He undersold the grocery stores so bad, they bought him out after we graduated with the stipulation he would not come back for a set number of years.  It was with this money that he started the Alsup's stores and when the time was up he started building all the stores in Roswell.  The in thing was then the burrito which my out of state sons still have to get when they come home.                                                                                                                                                                                Happy birthday to all born in September.


08/31/20 10:47 AM #6042    

 

Darrell Barnes

Rex Booth; I lived at 1707 N. Ohio; Went to Mark Howell in the 3rd grade and then to Military Heights in 4th the year it opened. Where did you live?  Did you know Clyde Forbes, Bobby Brown, Billy Brunson; Raymond Sanchez..etc!..... Finished at RHS 1964....Worked at Piggly Wiggly there on Union.

Darrell Barnes

 

 

 

 


09/01/20 11:21 AM #6043    

 

Rex Booth

Darrell B,

Yup, I lived up the street three houses north at 1713.  Danny Causey '62, Clydes Forbes '62, Robert Dunbar '63, lived a half block north on Pontiac. Robert Mueller '61 lived across the street. I lived there the summer of '56 through the summer of '59 attending North Jr., then moved a bit closer to RHS.

Piggly Wiggly's was another "oasis in the desert" during those long hot summer days.  As you know it was a 'fav' place to buy a popsicle and/or a yummy ice cream fudge bar. Catty-corner across the street on the east side of Union & 17th was the school buss pick up/drop off  for North Jr.

I do remember this younger boy that lived three doors down the street who had a 'closet-full' of comic books... that wouldn't have been you, now, would it...?  wink

 


09/01/20 12:12 PM #6044    

 

Rex Booth

John D.

IN 1956, the first store Lonnie Allsup bought was an 'existing' drive-n grocery store on the  corner of West College adjacent to Mark Howell school.  This drive-n building was angled across the lot facing the street corner so it permited cars to drive in parallel to the drive-in grocery store. If one looks closely at the picture one can  recognize this.  The McGaffey store came a couple years later in 1958.  The  McGaffey location was not a drive-in grocery store.  One  had to park on the street. 

Another historical event for Roswell happened that same summer.  Along with the opening of Lonnie's Drive-in, our baseball all-star team came back from Williamsport, Pa winning the "World Series Little League Championship" that summer of 1956.  Our boys put Roswell, NM on the map!!

See reference - " Lonnie's About Us - The Past

https://allsups.com/about/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


09/02/20 09:54 AM #6045    

 

Darrell Barnes

Rex; that was Billy Brunson.......he had all the toys.

Bobby Brown also seemed to have an endless supply.

Thanks for the response.....great memories

Darrell B

 


09/03/20 10:03 AM #6046    

 

Diane Alley ((Webb))

I too am enjoying the stories you have been posting.
Most of the events happened before we moved to Roswell in 1959. I was so lucky to have been part of the Class of 1962.
Ladies, you have been awfully quiet. Surely you have tales to tell as well!

09/03/20 11:35 AM #6047    

 

Diane Alley ((Webb))

I too am enjoying the stories you have been posting.
Most of the events happened before we moved to Roswell in 1959. I was so lucky to have been part of the Class of 1962.
Ladies, you have been awfully quiet. Surely you have tales to tell as well!

09/03/20 12:31 PM #6048    

 

Sherry Hester (Trasp)

I loved the picture of the Library on the home page! I visited it often and can still remember walking up the steps and I can still smell the the old book/paper smells!  What great memories!! winkheart

 


09/03/20 12:35 PM #6049    

 

Sherry Hester (Trasp)

Here You go Diane Alley!! The challenge is on!! HAHAHAH!! winklaugh


09/03/20 04:57 PM #6050    

 

John Landess

Happy Birthday to all the Septemberites!!!

Hey, Just think.....Halloween is coming soon, and we are already wearing Masks!wink


09/03/20 10:09 PM #6051    

 

Sherry Hester (Trasp)

John Landess That is really Funny!! HAHAH!! laugh

 


09/04/20 06:01 AM #6052    

 

Tommy Weathers


09/05/20 10:34 AM #6053    

 

Rex Booth

Lonnie’s Drive-In - Mysteries Solved!!

Well folks, more facts regarding the mystery locations of Lonnie’s Drive-In(s) were brought to my attention by a colleague of mine who just happens to be one of Roswell’s finest historians! Yup, you guess it, our own resident historian, Tommy Weathers!

Tommy indicated the picture on the home page of Lonnie’s Drive-In was not the one on West College.  He cited a clue being the ‘Motel Sign’ just to the right in the picture. That motel in 1956, turned out to be Bel Mar Courts 1502 West 2nd.  According to Tommy, the Tucker’s owned that motel somewhere along the line. In 1956, Tommy and his brothers Cherry and Rusty helped stock the first #1 Drive-In Grocery Store 1500 W. 2nd  and stocked Lonnie’s other stores as they came on line.

I decided to check out the Historical Archives on Lea & 2nd and found several City Directories (1955-1961) listing individuals and businesses by address in Roswell.

City Directories showed:

1955: Faye’s Food Market 1500 W. 2nd.  In 1956 it was purchased by Lonnie and named ‘Drive-In Grocery’

1955-1958:  West College Market 600 W. College (Jessie Collins owner)

1959: West College Market - Purchased by Lonnie & named ‘Drive-In Grocery #2’

1955-1959  Tarlton Grocery 406 E. McGaffey

1961:  Tarlton Grocery - Purchased by Lonnie & named ‘Lonnie’s #3’

1961:  A list of Lonnie’s Drive-In(s) was provided:

#1 Lonnie’s - 1500 W. 2nd;  #2 Lonnie’s 600 W. College; #3 Lonnie’s 406 E. McGaffey; #4 Lonnie’s 3106 N. Main; #5 Lonnie’s 1124 S. Union

So like Paul Harvey Sr. said at the end of his radio show: "Now you know the rest of the story"! Let’s give a big nod to Big Tom!   “A-bedea a-bedea a-bedea… That’s All Folks”!!

 

 


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